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what would you do to prepare her for cyborg?
« on: August 17, 2009, 05:06:35 PM »
Curious to see all the mma junkies replies to see how they would prepare gina the second time around. Have at it!
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Re: what would you do to prepare her for cyborg?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 12:51:43 AM »
Well Gina is great on her stand-up, but not so great that she can take Cyborg without improving her ground game.  I believe that she needs to improve both to beat Cyborg. 

She is already calculated and hard hitting on her stand up.  But  she seriously needs to work on her footwork, punching Cyborg as she moves in and out.  Getting caught is the worst case scenario for Gina.  However since this is very likely to happen at least a few times, Gina needs to work her wrestling. 
She needs to work on her take-downs so she can gain striking advantage and points if it comes to a decision.  She also needs the ability to escape takedowns and being cornered.  Some submission training would be beneficial, but not much.  I can’t see her submitting Cyborg without extensive training.   I know Gina is conditioned for punching and straight kicks, but she is seriously going to require lower-body and core strength to manage Cyborg on the ground.  Frankly, she will need the ability to pick Cybog off the ground and throw her to the mat…several times.  Lastly she will need more cardio endurance.  Five rounds in women’s MMA is an eternity for them, but Gina can’t afford to get winded in the first round…or the second…or the third.  That’s a tall order, but that’s the type of conditioning required to beat Cyborg. 

Here is the ideal scenario: 
Gina lands punch after punch moving around constantly tiring Cyborg out.  As soon as Cyborg moves in to grapple, Gina needs to be able to move away or counter her takedown and throw Cyborg to the floor as soon as possible.  If Gina can get Cyborg pinned just for a few seconds, she can devastate her with punches.  The key is keep moving.  That was a fatal flaw that cost her the fight. 

There was even one moment where Gina allowed Cyborg to stand up after a 15-20 break.  That just can’t happen.  I know that she was probably trained to stay away from Cyborg on the ground, but if she don’t seize the moment, it may never come.  Gina should have capitalized on that.  What she lacks in wrestling can still be compensated with a flurry of punches while Cyborg is on her back.  All it takes is one or two punches to put Cyborg in lah-lah-land. 
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Re: what would you do to prepare her for cyborg?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 05:05:42 AM »
Well I'm not a technical fighter, or a trainer, or even a addicted fan of the sport of MMA.  So my opinion might be taken with a grain of salt, but here it is.

Fighting, I think, over the ages has all boiled down to one thing.... dictating the direction of the fight.  With the exception of maybe 10% probability of a suprise submission(in this sport), most fights are won by the person who dictates the direction of the fight.  Controlling a fight is as physical as it is mental.  Like Lesnar and Frank Mir.  Lesnar simply came right out and dominated the smaller weaker person.  He controlled Frank on the ground physically therefore dictating the direction of the fight.  Cyborg did a similar routine.  Both of these fighters KNOW that they are the strongest.  The strongest have ONE option to be the best... smother the other fighter and beat the crap out of them.  Gina came into this fight not ready to face Cyborg.  Some of it was mental, but most of it was her training and gameplan. 

If I was training her, as for what this posts is asking, I would push her beyond her limits so to speak.  She would lose some of the lady like physique  that she has to replace it with more muscle.  I know its something her fan base doesnt want to see on her, but the honest truth is... to beat a beast, you must become a beast.  She would have to heavy weight train in endurance deadlifts among other weightlifting aspects.  I mention the deadlifts specifically because, its 100% certainty that they go to the ground.  Gina needs to have the strength throughout her back to get back up and away from her quickly or to force new positions on her immediately and a strong back is key to that.  She would need to be able to deadlift 185 lbs 20 reps atleast.  I cannot begin to tell you how hard a person is to control if they have a full combination of strong legs, abs and back.

Second thing I would focus on with her is to train her to handle 10 minutes straight of 175 + BPM cardio with her entire body in action (perhaps 3 minute rotating wrestlers with weighted gear to intensify the effect).  Watching the fight and then watching replays I noticed she was Gassed halfway thru the fight.  Not that Gina had not trained hard cardio beforehand, its just that she trained the wrong type of cardio. Doing 5 minute drills on specific parts of the body is not even remotely related to fighting for your life for 5 minutes with all muscles TENSED and a 155 lb weighted object smothering you during that time.  There is relaxed cardio training (I know...it sounds like a contradiction in terms) and there is aggro cardio training.   Jogging on a treadmill is an example of relaxed cardio training.  Aggro cardio training would be wrestling on the ground, but never stopping in positions..continually moving, with such things as weight attachments to intensify the muscles' effort. 

Lastly Gina's technical approach, The woman is skilled.  As Randy said she could learn some more things, but I think she has the technical abilities to beat her.  Her problem for that fight was her aggression.  You dont beat a man like err... um... woman like Cyborg by standup striking, because she will charge you and will overpower you.  So the only way to beat her is like I said before .. become the beast... you over power her.  Come straight out at the start with full force and fury. Jump on her, put your weight on her... make her work her muscles harder to escape and have her on defense the entire time.  This tires her out faster than you, and does one more thing.... it has you controlling the direction of the fight.

Any how, thats just my opinion.  I'm not so sure that Gina would want to change her body in that way just to beat one person.  But I simply think that's gonna be the only way to beat Cyborg is to overpower her.
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Re: what would you do to prepare her for cyborg?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 06:16:08 AM »
pray alot ................. ;D idk ..........just look for mistakes and study her to see how she vounarable
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